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Schwarzenegger: Let's Debate Marijuana Legalization
May 11, 2009

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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said that he is "for an open debate" on the question of whether marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated in order to generate revenue for the state, the San Francisco Chronicle reported May 6.

"I think it's time for debate," said Schwarzenegger, who did not endorse legalization. "I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues -- I'm always for an open debate on it."

Schwarzenegger's comments came after a new poll showed -- for the first time -- that a majority (56 percent) of Californians favor legalizing marijuana for recreational use. The drug already is legal for medical use in the state. A recent national poll also found that 46 percent of Americans support legalization of small amounts of marijuana for personal use.

State Assemblyman Tom Ammiano has introduced legislation that would legalize marijuana and impose a $50-per-ounce state tax on the drug, saying that the measure would raise up to $1.3 billion for the state annually. Ammiano praised Schwarzenegger for being "open-minded" toward the proposal.

"This has never just been about money," said Ammiano. "It's also about the failure of the war on drugs and implementing a more enlightened policy. I've always anticipated that there could be a perfect storm of political will and public support, and obviously the federal policies are leaning more toward states' rights."

COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE:

Posted by John de Miranda on 11 May 09 07:51 PM EDT
Shortly after Ammiano's bill was introduced I submitted a commentary supporting it to this site that never appeared. Maybe it's time to put it up

Posted by no one special on 12 May 09 09:00 AM EDT
maybe they should stop giving health, welfare, and educational benefits to the numerous illegals they have to help with their budget issues.

Posted by Frank Winkler on 12 May 09 09:50 AM EDT
I'm totally for enlightened policy. Toward that end, perhaps California should pursue legalization for recreational use of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and more. After all, what's good for the goose... not to mention the potential for extra revenue. Just think what it could do for the treatment comunity. And it would free up prison space for all the criminals that would be driven to commit more crime to get the money to support their habits-- why, any way you look at it, its a "Win-Win" situation, not to mention the mortuary and cemetary business. Might even put a dent in over-population, as well. Go for it!

Posted by Helen Harberts on 12 May 09 10:20 AM EDT
Cannabis is a uniquely personal drug. Anyone who thinks they can tax it and regulate it is suffering from delusions. Those who think they suffer from government intrustion already...just wait until the tax guys show up! From a medical perspective, this is a stupid idea. From any perspective, this is a stupid idea.

Posted by Pat on 12 May 09 10:51 AM EDT
I totally agree with Helen and Frank. It is a stupid idea any way you evaluate it. What is there to talk about??? And while they are talking I think they should address the issue of legalizing cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. for recreational use as well.

Posted by LaMar Macklin II on 12 May 09 12:10 PM EDT
It has always been the issue that "...it's no worse than cigarettes, right..?" I used to argue that Pot has more carcinogens by design it is inhaled more deeply held in for a longer time bal bal bal. I had to re-think and now I say you are right it is no worse than the biggest killer on the planet, largest cause of preventable death in the US and coming your way in 2010 the leading cause of death in the world according to the WHO. Lets repeat the same mistake again and open pandoras box one more time as Frank said there are to many people on the planet anyway. I noticed that Arnold was not in the new terminator movie - to bad he should stick to what he does best.

Posted by annon. on 12 May 09 12:56 PM EDT
$50/ounce tax. I thought it would be chaeper if the govt. controlled it? Why stop at decriminalizing/legalizing drugs. Lets just get rid of all laws and do whatever we want? That way I won't get in trouble when I hit my irritating neighbor with a big stick! why do any of you get excited over this? They are going to do whatever they want. Our elected officals think that way, anyways. They know what is best for all of us, we're mindless and are so lucky to hve all those really smart people looking out for us. I know I'll sleep better knowing they are looking out for me, how about all of you?

Posted by Anonymous on 12 May 09 02:51 PM EDT
I hope Gov. Arnold is more open than those who have posted above. Face it, y'all: All of your rigid and closed-minded policies will not make the world a perfect one. Wake up. Be sensible. As with alcohol, make it legal to produce in small amounts, tax the commercial sale of it, and provide treatment funding for (the vast minority of) those who develop dependency.

Posted by Anonymous on 12 May 09 05:14 PM EDT
I agree with the GOV. Arnold make it legal and produce in small amounts and tax it. make sure people are not putting any waste in it. also provide treatment as needed. of course you will have more addict than in the past. dependency is where the trouble is.

Posted by Jon Gettel on 12 May 09 08:30 PM EDT
I use marijuana for a very serious, terminal medical condition. I think marijuana is medicine, however I do not think anyone should be arrested for marijuana. Marijuana arrest is far worse than any experience with marijuana. End the war on marijuana. End the war on all drugs. Let's treat drug addicts with respect and get them into the healthcare/treatment/harm reduction system right away.

Posted by Anonymous on 12 May 09 08:53 PM EDT
The approaching debate should now include the issue of unambiguously legalizing and encouraging use of technical innovations now immediately feasible: A. the vaporizer; B. the e-cigarette with cannabinol in the cartridge as an alternative to nicotine; C. Screened single-toke long-stemmed one-hitters. This means unambiguously discriminating against the hot-burning overdose approach which has been causing harm attributed to the herb: "cigarette", "joint", "blunt" etc. With 900 tokes of sifted herb per gram, a $50/oz. tax adds about 5-1/2 cents to the price of a single toke (25-mg.). Insulting but not unacceptable.

Posted by Lorinda Strang on 13 May 09 02:47 PM EDT
I hope that this debate will show the world that legalizing marijuana is not worth the consequences. Who is going to sell it? Will there be a legal age, as there is with cigarettes and alcohol? Will the stores be open 24 hours? Who wants it in their neighborhood? Who will grow it? Who will regulate and monitor the chemicals used in the “grow op”? Where will the legal dumping site for the chemicals be? Will marijuana be taxed the same as alcohol and cigarettes? Do the taxes collected cover the costs associated with the negative consequences associated with drug use? What do you think the dealers will do? My guess, undercut government pricing, target underage users and finds ways to provide higher potency pot. Do the taxes from, alcohol, cigarettes and casino’s cover the cost of treatment and health costs? In Canada the taxes don’t even begin to cover the costs. Addiction destroys families and kills people. Recovery works. If I were an American I would vote No.

Posted by Brinna on 17 May 09 01:20 AM EDT
Actually having a serious public debate on this issue would be incredibly refreshing. I'm all for it.

Posted by Mike on 18 May 09 02:19 AM EDT
100 years ago they hung you for cattle rustling, and in WY. the woman had to walk behind the man. Dumb laws, and Dumb simple minded people. Grow up everyone, if someone wants to help themselves in their own home, who are you to say that is wrong? Shame on you! Free country? Ya right! Making law abiding citizens into criminals, that makes more sense how? If you were all REAL Americans, you would fight for the right to be free!! and try to end this injustice! But than again i was told you cant make a dumb person smart. So i guess you are all done.

Posted by John on 18 May 09 11:43 AM EDT
Cannabis is the medicine in a lot of people's lives. They grow it already and if done properly, they won't get "caught" or arrested because they're not idiots smoking at parties or in public. Listen, its not about legalizing everything to do with cannabis, its about not criminalizing responisble adults who use the plant for their own personal reasons, whatever they may be. The difference between Cannabis and hard drugs, like cocaine/heroin/meth is that no one dies from it; also, it is grown in a garden - all you need is a seed and some love. You can't deny the compassion of cannabis.

Posted by Bob W on 18 May 09 12:07 PM EDT
To inhale dangerous smoke into the lungs that can cause cancer and other lung problems and call this medicine to help the body is beyond stupid.There is something very wrong in the mind with some of you people who think this should be legal.

Posted by J.T. on 18 May 09 04:06 PM EDT
I can't believe we're even having this discussion! I'm with LaMar. What are the most abused drugs out there? Alcohol and tobacco. Why? Because they are LEGAL. Kids can get them, idiots who buy and give it to kids get them, people who will drink in their cars while driving down my street can get them. So we legalize another deadly drug that affects the way people drive and how coherant they are in school, so we can get tax money off the poor schmucks who have to have it? Oh, yeah, I forgot. You're not addicted to marijuana. That's why you grow it in your yard and are willing to go to jail or pay a fine to use it. I am sure there are some who use it to help with their medical problems. But I think in many cases, the medical problem is addiction...psychological addiction. So we legalize the drug and then hit the addict for tax money. How humane is that?

Posted by Rob H. on 18 May 09 08:56 PM EDT
"100 years ago they hung you for cattle rustling, and in WY. the woman had to walk behind the man. Dumb laws, and Dumb simple minded people." Mike, people DIED when rustlers stole their cattle. And in 1869, Wyoming granted women the right to vote...before Wyoming was even a STATE, for cryin' out loud. Before you call someone simple-minded, you might want to check your own facts. Here's something for you to chew on: Right now, for every dollar California spends on alcohol problems, it recovers about 8 cents in taxes and fees. Yeah, let's legalize marijuana, and introduce yet another harmful drug, and let the taxpayers try to clean up the mess. Brilliant.

Posted by Anonymous on 18 May 09 09:02 PM EDT
"The difference between Cannabis and hard drugs, like cocaine/heroin/meth is that no one dies from it.." With all due respect, John, people die from pot every day. Problem is, we don't have a standard for impairment (like alcohol's .08%) or simple field tests for THC. I persollay know four people who crashed their cars while under high on weed and nothing else. Thankfully, all of them survived. You've misinterpreted the statement that "nobody ever died from a marijuana overdose." That's closer to being true. But please, if you're convinced that pot is harmless, do some research. Hundreds of studies show the links between pot and exacerbation of mental illness and cancer. BTW, if you grow pot at home for your own use, nobody will ever bother you. Problem is, people get greedy and start dealing, and yeah, that's when they get popped.

Posted by Rob H. on 18 May 09 09:07 PM EDT
Folks, Arnold is NOT in favor of legalizing pot. He just said it deserves examination as a revenue source..but he also said he's against legalizing it. That's what politicians do when they don't want to lose any pothead votes...but also don't want to admit that pot IS NOT a viable source of government funding. That's why Mr. Obama laughed it off when a pothead suggested legalizing in order to raise revenue. The smart folks (yes, even politicians) already know it won't work, but saying it openly will cost them a few votes. Brinna, we've already had the serious debate..and the legalizers LOST. You tell me, what aspect of marijuana legalization hasn't been thouroughly examined many times over the past thirty years? . . . I didn't think so.

Posted by Anonymous on 19 May 09 04:32 PM EDT
So let me see if I have this right, the next surgeon, dentist, truck driver, train operator, pilot, police officer and any other crucial or safety sensitive person who presents after a malfunction can argue that we told them it was OK, and the performance impairment is related to another factor. Don't ask people if they would legalize marijuana ask them if the would accept it's use in critical occupations.

Posted by Verde on 22 May 09 12:04 AM EDT
If you want revenue from weed, increase the penalties to an automatic $4,000, to pay for the ankle bracelet for probation and $1,000 per gram for the amount of weed they possess. Then the ankle bracelet can come off once the fine is paid. The fines should double for the second offense. Then probation and the drug task force can monitor these addicts to see where they are getting it from.

Posted by pixie on 25 May 09 06:31 PM EDT
Alcohol and tobacco are legal and they cause all kinds of problems. Of course nobody's going to try to ban alcohol or cigarettes but why add marijuana to the list of legal substances that can harm people? Let's leave bad enough alone.

Posted by JA Esq on 27 May 09 11:07 AM EDT
Not only is this poor judgment, it is INSANE. Addicts know the definition of insanity - teach it to the California governor and the sponsoring legislators. Take the standards out of the society and the society falls down - freedom requires responsibility not insanity that clearly will bring destructive results. Get the revenues elsewhere. Criminals deal with such substances not honest business men and women - how much more insane can these people get? California stop this before the insanity destroys you and your great state.

Posted by Vickie on 17 Jun 09 04:59 PM EDT
Legalizing marijuana is a bad idea. End of comment.

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