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R.J. Reynolds' 'Camel Snus' Faces Criticism
November 26, 2008

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As R.J. Reynolds prepares a national marketing campaign for the company's new smokeless-tobacco product, dubbed 'Camel Snus,' public-health experts say that not enough is known about the possible harmful effects of products being positioned as an alternative to smoking, the Washington Post reported Nov. 23.

Snus is a tea bag-like pouch of steam-pasteurized smokeless tobacco that consumers can tuck between their cheek and gum to deliver a hit of nicotine. R.J. Reynolds plans to launch the marketing campaign for Camel Snus early next year, and at least two other U.S. tobacco companies are test-marketing snus.

But Dorothy Hatsukami, director of the Tobacco Use Research Center at the University of Minnesota, said information about nicotine absorption and toxicity for tobacco products is lacking, and that there is not enough data on snus to make per-dose comparisons to cigarettes or spit tobacco.

"I think we're all holding our breath in terms of what's going to be coming down the pike," Hatsukami said. "There's not much known about these products -- what's in these products, how they're going to be used, who's going to be using them and what the effects of that use will be … Will it create more harm or less harm?"

Researchers at West Virginia University recently tested Camel Snus and found at least two carcinogens. "It's not like chewing gum. This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes," said Robert Anderson, deputy director of West Virginia University's Prevention Research Center.

Experts worry that Snus will be particularly attractive to children with its brightly colored tins and names like "frost" and "spice," and that adults will have a tough time monitoring children's use because the product is easy to conceal.

R.J. Reynolds spokesperson Daniel Howard says that the company does not target underage users and expects the product to be most popular among adult males and snuff users.

COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE:

Posted by reallycare on 28 Nov 08 01:16 PM EST
I keep wondering why the tobacco industry has carte blanche to put its untested products on the market - i'm not a proponent of prohibiting substances, but surely there can be some regulations and controls.

Posted by Cory on 01 Dec 08 10:41 AM EST
Nicotine addicts who must spend time in a non-smoking environment may think this is a good idea for them. If they think so, I suggest that next time they want a smoke...they should just light their tongue instead of their cigarette!

Posted by Bill Godshall on 01 Dec 08 11:30 AM EST
Cigarettes kill 440,000 Americans annually compared to several hundred oral cancer deaths due to smokefree tobacco products. That's because cigarettes are 100 times deadlier than moist snuff or chewing tobacco, while pasteurized snus (used in Sweden for decades) poses even fewer health risks (similar to nicotine gum and lozenges). By switching from cigarettes to smokefree tobacco, smokers can sharply reduce their health risks (almost as much as by quitting all tobacco) and eliminate secondhand smoke risks for others. Several million Americans and hundreds of thousands of Swedes have already switched from cigarettes to smokefree tobacco. Smokers also can reduce health risks by using smokefree tobacco as a substitute for cigarettes, as every dose of nicotine obtained from a smokefree product would otherwise be obtained by inhaling cigarette smoke. Smokers have a right to be informed that smokefree tobacco products are far less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes, and public health officials have an ethical duty to inform smokers of these life saving facts. But some anti-tobacco extremists don't want smokers to reduce risks by swicthing to less hazardous alternatives.

Posted by Cory on 01 Dec 08 03:37 PM EST
I wish I could believe your assertion, Bill. I'd immediately suggest using snus to all of my friends! What's the source of your stats? It just seems common sense that soaking the mucus membranes in carcinogens, holding the irritant right up against the tongue, gums and inside cheeks is not safer...it's just a different kind of exposure and still very dangerous. From watching friends who dip Copenhagen and also smoke, it seems to be easier to quit smoking than to quit dipping.

Posted by Bill Godshall on 01 Dec 08 04:00 PM EST
Per Cory's inquiry, here are three of the many dozen scientific articles/reports. Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37 The Case for Harm Reduction for Control of Tobacco-related illness and death http://www.aaphp.org/special/joelstobac/20081026HarmReductionResolutionAsPassedl.pdf Harm reduction in nicotine addiction; Helping people who can't quit http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/pubs/contents/e226ee0c-ccef-4dba-b62f-86f046371dfb.pdf

Posted by idustudy@aol.com on 01 Dec 08 04:13 PM EST
While there is evidence that snus use is associated with less morbidity than cigarette smoking and MAY be an effective harm reduction tool, a few considerations need to be kept in mind: 1. There is a paucity of empirical research on both the long-term health consequences of snus, as well as its role in smoking cessation. Thus, additional studies are needed, especially those that follow subjects over a long period of time. 2. There is evidence of an increase in some cancers related to snus use (e.g., see Lancet, Oct. 2007). Thus, at best, snus use should not be considered an “endgame” in smoking cessation. 3. Most importantly, the recent AP article indicated that the snus currently being test marketed had a higher nicotine content than previous snus test-marketed in the U.S. An excellent article by Stepanov et al. in the Dec. 2008 issue of Nicotine & Tobacco Research analyzes the chemical composition of several smokeless tobacco products and found, e.g., high levels of chloride in Camel Snus, which may be associated with physiologic sequelae, such as cancer. In sum, further data are critical to an informed decision of the role of snus in public health. We aren’t there yet.

Posted by Bill Godshall on 01 Dec 08 04:47 PM EST
On a mortality risk scale from 1 to 100 on which nicotine gum and lozenges are a 1 and cigarettes are a 100, smokeless tobacco products are a 2, and snus is about a 1.1. While more research is always nice, idustudy@aol.com is dead wrong to claim that "We aren't there yet."

Posted by Bill Godshall on 01 Dec 08 04:58 PM EST
Even if the mortality risk of daily snus use was 50% (instead of 1%) of the mortality risk of daily cigarette smoking, health agencies, organizations and professionals would have an ethical duty to inform smokers of that fact. So why do some health agencies, organizations and professionals continue deceiving smokers into believing that smokeless tobacco is just as hazardous as cigarettes? It seems that they want smokers to continue smoking so it kills them.

Posted by The truth on 21 Feb 09 05:32 PM EST
Bill... if we stop smoking their revenue goes down. If you really think about it a cigarette should be considered the same thing as any other drug... it does nothing good for the body except a slight buzz. I've been smoking for a few years now and I love it so I'm not downing smokers at all. I'm just saying... are we due for a prohibition in the future? Or will the United States' long term history with tobacco prevent us from losing our precious cancer...

Posted by Jerrad on 26 Feb 09 03:45 AM EST
You people are ridiculous. If we take the term "safe" to mean the following: 3. Incapable of doing harm; no longer dangerous; in secure care or custody; as, the prisoner is safe. [1913 Webster] then we can derive "safer" to mean doing less harm then before. Therefore, it is logical to say that Snus, as suggested by the numerous articles given before this comment, IS in fact safer then cigarettes. And since snus is an alternative way to enjoy tobacco, then the following can rationally be claimed: "Snus is a safer alternative to cigarettes." QED. Why wont you people let that fact be known?

Posted by Mia on 28 Feb 09 05:00 AM EST
Let them kill themselves. We have free choice. As long as I no longer have to have my personal health choices compromised with secondhand smoke from other people's cancer sticks, they are free to Snus themselves to death. Tobacco isn't safe, period. Everybody knows that. It's their choice to partake or not, with the full knowledge that it could kill them. Freedom of choice. My only issue is the design of the tin, which looks like a candy or mint tin, appealing to children. Once again, targeting them when they are young.

Posted by Nic on 02 Mar 09 07:32 PM EST
I have to agree with Bill, tobacco companies are going to say that smokeless isn't a safe alternative because that's where all their source of income is and it's price 2 to 3 times higher than snuff, if everyone quit smoking and used snuff, their profit margins would drop dramatically, although I believe they would still be ahead a ton, but from everything I've read here and on other sites I believe that smokeless tobacco is a much safer alternative to cigarettes. Granted their are still some health risks but not as bad as smoking.

Posted by anonymous on 02 Mar 09 07:35 PM EST
I only have one question, the Camel Snus, why swallow it? Does something better come out of that, if anyone knows, it would be greatly appreciated. I know with regular chew, you usually don't swallow it because it can make you ill and this new stuff says it's ok to swallow.

Posted by bat1148 on 02 Mar 09 10:06 PM EST
I don't understand why so many people think tobacco companies are evil. They are not out to get us. Most smokers (I am one, myself) use tobacco products because we wanted to. They post warnings about the dangers of smoking, they limit it to adults. They don't advertise in commercials, or in magazines, or in billboards. What else do you want? I am so tired of people trying to make a company look bad, when all they are doing is selling a legal product that is high in demand. If someone picks up the habit of smoking, chewing, snuff, or snus, then that is their choice. This is still a free country... isn't it?

Posted by Kyle Stevens on 03 Mar 09 02:50 PM EST
I used the Snus pakcets, and have to disa gree with the not needing to spit, it creates so much saliva, and if you do swallow, it has a burning sensation to it i do not find pleasing. But it wil curb cravings, ill say that much, jut by its taste.

Posted by USMC on 10 Mar 09 12:49 PM EDT
I have been using the Camel Snuff and I have to disagree with the saliva comment. I find it to produce not nearly as much saliva as a regular smokeless tobacco product. I guess it just works different with different people. I will agree that it probably is not safe. But I have been 9 days without a cigerette and have seen a two minute drop on my 3 mile run-time. OOH-RAH!

Posted by Colbs on 10 Mar 09 04:09 PM EDT
I base the following purely on my own observation. For nine months I have ceased chronic recreational drug usage; primarily, but not at all limited to pot. Caffeine and Nicotine is all that flows through my veins these days. I have been a smoker almost four years and have grown increasingly concerned with my respiration. During gym class, earlier this year, I felt very ill and light headed after only some brisk running. Shortly after I went smokeless. Cigarettes are much more enjoyable and socially accepted then dip(smokeless). I used to smoke an eight cigarette a day average. That average in smokeless is four dips a day. I have found the cheap grizzly dip I use to be disgusting. It is half the price of cigarettes and half enjoyable as them. Unless there are health detriments with dip severe enough to make four, 10 minute lip packs a day, just as dangerous as eight cigarettes a day; then I think the word "safer" preceding "alternative", is appropriate.

Posted by Binky on 11 Mar 09 10:50 AM EDT
Does anyone know why snus is not regulated by the FDA since the tobacco companies are saying the you can swallow it? Wouldn't that make it a food?

Posted by chillywellwater on 14 Mar 09 10:17 PM EDT
As it stands right now, legislation is in the works to have all tobacco products (cigarettes, snuff, snus, etc,) regulated by the FDA. That may or may not be a good thing for a variety of reasons (meaning, is the FDA the best regulatory agency within the U.S. government system to handle tobacco regulation?). There are alternate bills out there with little hope of passing that would result in tobacco products being regulated by a federal agency, but not the FDA itself. The alternative bills seems to recognize harm reduction strategies other than the “quit or die” philosophy, such as snus or other smokeless products, while the FDA legislation seems to more or less treat all tobacco products in the same light.

Posted by snus user on 28 Mar 09 05:34 PM EDT
I used to dip skoal everyday 3 to 4 times a day. Then camel snus came out and i got 2 tins of it and its made a huge difference in the amount of nicotine i take in in one day plus i don't need to spit. also it is very discreet. i like the snus a lot and it no doubt has less nicotine than a lip of chew. i was having 2 snus a day compared to my 3 to 4 big helpings of skoal chew. plus I went a week without a snus and i did not get one craving i do not know if thats just me but i believe they are no doubt a better alternative to cigarettes which ruin your lungs if you play sports or are a very active person. plus snus doesnt make you reek of cigarettes. i've had a few cigarettes in my time and i did not find the smell being stuck on me for hours after i had one very pleasing.

Posted by snus user continued on 28 Mar 09 05:36 PM EDT
also theres no second hand smoke with snus and if you ask me it would be a lot safer to do around other people because it is my choice to enjoy tobacco products and i do know the down side of doing so but my theory is if others don't have to deal with second hand smoke or the nastiness of watching someone spit all the time while packing a chew then it is no doubt a better product than cigarettes. if you do smoke cigarettes i think snus is a much better alternative. give it a try maybe youll like it? just remember to brush your teeth twice a day and maybe chew tooth whitening gum so you do not get yellow teeth this is what i do and i find it to be a very satisfactory way to enjoy a tobacco product with greatly reduced health risks and reduced cravings without doing harm to others.

Posted by PJ on 10 Apr 09 01:38 PM EDT
I agree it is a "safer" alternative. Of course, tobacco is going to have its negative effects, but for those of us who smoke, (I have been smoking for 15 years) and want to QUIT... some it may help, others not.. for me.. it seems to be working. It rids me of the cravings for a cigarette, it is healthier for those around me, and notably, there is less nicotine in one Snus than in a cigarette. So if it can help me quit tobacco altogether.. AMEN. To the rest of you with your comments about "smokers should light their tongues on fire instead of a cigarette", why don't you focus your concerns on more important things like rapists and murders. I don't think any of you people will be happy until ALL of our rights are stripped away, which will happen very soon with all this "CHANGE" going on.

Posted by Nate on 11 Apr 09 03:19 PM EDT
I'm a smoker - about a pack and a half a day - and just learned of this Snus stuff. I'm seriously considering switching over to Snus, and greatly appreciate both sides of the discussion offered here. Having never used any type of smokeless tobacco, what are the norms for Snus usage (How many packets do most users use per day, and for how long is it kept in the mouth)? Also, can a user talk normally while using this stuff? I do a lot of work on the telephone, and don't want to sound too verbally "impaired". Thanks!

Posted by LaidBackAndSNUSING on 14 Apr 09 02:32 PM EDT
MIA said, "My only issue is the design of the tin, which looks like a candy or mint tin, appealing to children. Once again, targeting them when they are young." I guess manufacturers of food should use plain packages so not to attract unwanted buyers. Darn them Cereals with loads of sugar that cause rotting teeth and cause children to throw tantrums in the store. In regards to smoking, parents must regulate what their kids buy and use discipline when needed. People need to grow up and take some responsibililty for their own life and family.

Posted by WyomingPeeper on 16 Apr 09 08:51 PM EDT
I'd just like to know from the average user of smokless tobacco (especially Copenhagen users) that have tried Snus, does it help in the aid to quit smokless tobacco? I have chewed Copenhagen for about 30 years. My dentist, family, physician and myself would like to quit but I can't cut the nicotine. For those of you who say tobacco isn't addictive, you're stupid!!! Trying to quit smokeless tobacco has been the hardest thing to do in my life and I still haven't succeeded! The bottom line for me --- does Snus have more or less nicotine than other spit tobacco and prove it!!!!

Posted by drew on 18 Apr 09 10:08 PM EDT
I hope they (FDA,or some certified testing place) can find out if Snus had more harmfull effect on cardiovascular disease, and Pancreatic cancer. I have smoked for 34 yrs.pack a day. I have not had a cigarette in 4 days. I have used Snus for 2 days now. I have used 2 a day. I know i am breathing better as of now, and if this helps me quit cigarettes completly ,Its worth it..I have to stop smoking ..I hope Snus is the awnser for me.

Posted by don on 19 Apr 09 04:16 PM EDT
I just purchased my 1st can of snus frost and have been enjoying the same pouch for over 3 hrs. Back of the tin says 30 min. I have not had a cigarette in this time. I usually smoke a pack a day of camel nonfilters for the last 25 + years. My wife says I smell minty fresh instead of like an old ashtray. With cigarettes approaching $6/pack, I think I've found a safe,economical alternative. I wasn't allowed to smoke in our house, but I can snus.

Posted by rich on 21 Apr 09 04:52 AM EDT
Congrats to 'don', 'drew','wyomingpeeper', and anyone else attemping to use Snus as a means to quit! I have smoked at least a pack per day for 40 years. (And KIDS...They once actually said it was Healthy to Smoke! So save the ignorant comments. Please? You weren't around so save it!) So anything that will help me quit is very Welcome indeed. Patches do nothing for me. As for the FDA regulating tobbacco? They can't 'regulate' the drugs they're suppose to control!!! I was disabled by a doctor using a chemical AGAINST the Manufacturers own labeling in a proceedure NOT approved by the FDA! And guess what? The very same thing happens thousands of times each year across this country. They're call Epidural Steroid Injctions. You sign a release, they inject a chemical against labeling, and if it goes bad....you're disabled for life and you can do nothing! FDA Regulating Tobacco will do nothing! As a Smoker, now that we Know the Truth, we all need to get away from it. Just as Overweight Slobs need to back off food. Neither is Healthy!

Posted by ddw on 22 Apr 09 03:37 PM EDT
I just tried the snus for the first time about an hour ago. The guy at the tobacco store gave me one to try because I was trying to find some cheap smokes. I think it's a very good "alternative" to smoking. Especially since you can do it where smoking is not allowed. We all know it's bad for ya, there's no denying that. But that's our choice. Though I do see the problem with the mint or candy like coloring on the tin, they're just trying to make it noticable to potential buyers. Kids are gonna do what they want regardless of the packaging. I've used every substance under the sun in my life and it'd be easier to get illegal drugs for a teen than snus. Depending where you live I guess. Imo, making many drugs legal would shut out all of the street dealers, help the country get out of the whole(tax), and make it harder for kids to get. Anyways back on topic. I actually enjoyed Snus and would recommend it to any current smoker. I never have liked dip, and snus is spitless imo. I didn't have to spit once. And even though it did burn my mouth a bit, it wasn't uncomfortable. I'll definitely be buying a can. And not because it's pretty to look at.

Posted by snus comment on 22 Apr 09 06:27 PM EDT
This comment is in reguards to the statement that snus is spitless. If you follow the directions on the reverse of the tin it says to place the puch under the upper lip, which having done so I noticed a definite reduction in saliva production, and the saliva that is produced settles to the bottom of the mouth not coming in contact to the pouch. I would think that if you improperly placed the pouch in the bottom lip it would produce enough saliva that you wouldnt want to be swallowing the product risking internal problems

Posted by freebud on 25 Apr 09 05:47 PM EDT
First off, 'wyomingpeeper' if you need proof that snus has less nicotine than your chew go buy some. And I dont understand the tongue burning comment either. If smokers anger you that much one would think you would want us to kill ourselves in a way with as little impact on your life as possible. Finally there is no safe tabbacco just like theres no safe acohol or even caffine. But, even with its risks snus seems to be the best option on the market.

Posted by Tom on 26 Apr 09 08:27 PM EDT
I started using snus about a week ago. Main reason was because I was getting bored and tired during work. This stuff has been great, I understand that it is NOT in anyway healthy for you but it is sure better then smoking cigarettes. To Nate I use about 2-4 pouches a day, and keep them in for 30 min to an hour. The Frost is my favorite flavor, it tastes just like it smells. Hopefully more people that smoke will make the switch to smokeless, so we don't have to inhale that second hand smoke.

Posted by nervous on 29 Apr 09 12:08 AM EDT
I recently found out my boyfriend is into this Snus stuff. He was previously a smoker but was off all nicotine/tobacco for about 7 years until this stuff entered the market. He once mentioned to me that it is practically "candy," which, of course, it is not. I hate that I am finding it difficult to get real answers about what's in it and what the true risks are and feel nervous that this has given him a false sense of security. As far as I'm concerned, Snus has just washed 7 years of effort down the drain. I had been so proud of him...

Posted by MartyMar on 30 Apr 09 12:43 PM EDT
*Re-post since my original was removed for some reason -- I have been a smoker since i was 15 (23 now) and about 2 years ago reached 3-4 packs/week (no stupid comments about "you shouldnt be smoking at 15" are necessary. i know i shouldn't have, but i did... deal with it). I noticed a dramatic decline in my health over the last couple years, and promised myself to quit. I "quit" about 2 months ago, but have cheated numerous times, and felt that i was going to relapse. 2 days ago i got mail from Camel with a coupon for a free tin of Camel Snus. It was free, so i went ahead and got it. I have used 2 pouches since i got it (one a day) and it has eliminated my craving for a cigarette. As far as im concerned, Snus has helped me quit smoking, period. To all you fools that have nothing but ignorant comments about us Tobacco users, you should think before you speek. Snus is not healthy at all, anyone that doesnt know that should read the tin. I would think you people would be happy there was no second hand smoke from using this product. For those who dont want to quit tobacco/nicotine, or simply dont have the wilpower (guilty), you should RECOMMEND SNUS, at the very least to protect the health of non-tobacco users around you.

Posted by 2bfree on 01 May 09 01:38 AM EDT
Here is some information on the swedish snus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus There are tons of links to studies and other useful info. One of the studies found that systolic blood pressure was slightly lower in snus users. In Sweden all the ingredents are listed and it is regulated by their food industry. I wish the US version was.

Posted by Sprout on 04 May 09 04:05 PM EDT
I recently made the decision to quit smoking, and conveniently with my last pack of cigarettes, I was given a complimentary can of Camel Snus. I used it in a similar manner as one would nicotine gum, and it worked like a gem. Tobacco free for my third week now. The irony lies in the fact that by sacrificing price for advertising motives, Camel officially lost a loyal customer. Sorry guys. I'll miss the stench you left on my fingertips.

Posted by Stormburn on 05 May 09 02:52 AM EDT
well ive been smoking for 2 years now. i love smoking cigarettes great stress reliever. i think kids will do what they want regardless. i just got a free thing of camel snus today cause i went in and got a pack of smokes for like 5 dollars and it was apart of rj reynolds deal. i never have like chewing tabacco before. i must say snuss is not all that bad im on my first pouch right now and i like the minty taste lol. idk why people bring up dangerous of smoking and how it can kill you. i seen people killed off in a couple years of smoking to people who are in their 90's and no trace of cancer and have been smoking most their life. i don't think its fair to criticize tabacco companys for just making a product and selling it like everyone else. im hoping to kick the bucket before 60 so the government stops taking my money :P

Posted by leaf on 05 May 09 05:14 PM EDT
I stopped smoking about a year ago by using snus. No interest in the cigarette anymore. Thanks to Camel, I learned about snus, but I order from Sweden. Variety, better flavors, cheaper (even with shipping), 24 pouches/can. If you want to stop smoking, you have to use the real stuff.

Posted by Jeff on 05 May 09 06:29 PM EDT
I have dipped Copenhaggen for 15 years now. I have tried everything to quit. My wife gave me a can of Camel SNUS to try. I have only had one dip in six days...(i was a one to two can a day user). My question is, does SNUS have less nicotine and tobacco that Copenhagen? And is it a "safer" alternitive to snuff. Either way, my fingers arnt staind and my teeth are already whiter. I would suggest SNUS to anyone trying to kick the Snuff habbit. Good luck.

Posted by leaf on 07 May 09 04:36 PM EDT
Since no one has asked Jeff... go to Swedish-snus.com, or snusbutiken.com. They post many studies on Snus/health issues. As far as nicotine, not sure about the Camel brands.

Posted by Zimmy on 15 May 09 10:55 PM EDT
TO:WyomingPeeper I have been dipping copenhagen for 9 years and the last 4 years I have gone through a can or more a day. I tried the mellow snus once and decided to try and switch to it, every other dip i took for about two days I switched back and forth and then went completely on to snus (in my opposite cheek, no pooch to fill) and have been on it for about a month now and i feel alot better. it lowered my addiction or something cause i only use 2 or 3 pouches a day about a can a week at the same price as cope. my pouch in my left cheek is even gone now I didnt even know it could tighten back up. I would recomend this to anyone trying to quit something else. I just keep smashing the can its not built to be handled like a cope can.

Posted by keysoul on 17 May 09 08:17 PM EDT
I brought my first can of camel snus today,and i haven't even had a craven for a cigarette.To me this is the first step to quitting ,and improve my health.This is a great product.Thanks camel for being concern about people health,from second hand smoke to firt hand somke. Great job!

Posted by Will smokin cammels since 1985 on 26 May 09 10:46 PM EDT
everything that has been said, has been said, everything that has been asked has been asked... you believe what you believe you are the only one that can change that. just set aside your ignorance for just a moment and rationalize the questions and form an opinion for your self if you really want to quit or start... uncommon sence to common sence...

Posted by Mike on 08 Jun 09 10:02 AM EDT
It seems to me that you can NEVER make everyone happy. I do not smoke cigarettes,only cigars(mostly Backwoods-people actually LIKE the smell). I used to chew tobacco occasionally, found it got expensive. Most anti-smoking zealots claim they are so against the smoking because of the second-hand smoke("you're polluting MY air too"). Now a product like this comes out, which may or may not help people quit,cut down, get through the time in the many places you cannot smoke anymore without going crazy, and you have people against this too. Some people need to mind their own damn business and worry about their own stuff. These packets can only possibly harm the person who actually USES them(and since they are legal)- so they should not bother anyone who doesn't actually stick one in their mouth.

Posted by DL on 22 Jun 09 01:43 PM EDT
1) I agree that Camel Snus tins are aimed at young people. The dang tins are just plain cool. 2) I was smoking a pack of Camel Lights every day, tried nicotine gum (and smoked *while* chewing the gum), tried the patch (got a rash), and figured I was never going to quit. 3) Got a promotional tin with a pack of cigarettes a few months back. I now go most days without smoking *any* cigarettes, chew nicotine gum part of the day, because I still don't believe Snus is harmless (it changes the way my gums feel), and I'd like to quit all nicotine eventually. In the end, though I am just grateful I'm not smoking, because I'm 45 years old and I have a 3 year old daughter and cigarettes are *incredibly* addictive.

Posted by yomama on 22 Jul 09 01:27 AM EDT
I bought my first camel snus yesterday after smoking over a pack a day since i was 16 (now 23). I havent had any cravings yet and my girlfriend finds the smell wonderful compaired to smokes. I have tried gum and patches which didnt curb my cravings at all.(I think the gum was hard for me because its more like chew than cigs as you are supposed to park it in your lip after activating it) I have an idea that I will be trying to totally quit nicotine: First I will try using snus until I dont crave smokes at all if possible. After that I will try the 4mg gum again, parking it in my lip like snus. I will gradually decrease the dosage until I can substitute the cravings for some other addiction like crack (jokes) or salted sunflower seeds. Question: the can says upper lip for 30 minutes. Can I use a pouch in my lower lip (I think it looks less goofy)for a couple hours? Would that greatly increase my chances of getting lip cancer or will it simply not work as well after 30 minutes?

Posted by eastga34@gmail.com on 31 Aug 09 09:40 AM EDT
Its aamazing to the that finally after 25 years of smoking I finally find an alternative to smoking that wont upset all the holier than thou crowd and they would stop that too. It absolutely astounds me really, i dont see anybody wanting to ban alcohol and look at how many people it kills, oh and how many more cigs people smoke while drinking, but aside from those that would limit others freedom based on there feelings i cant imagine snus being any more dangerous than the pack a day smokes I had for soo long and even if it is I pay for my healthcare they dont. What I would like to see if relaxation of these rediculous taxes on tobacco products. I already know people growing there own tobacco fields for personal use. It seems its on its way to being the next illegal drug. I think we should ban all foods but rice cakes then cholesterol wouldnt be a killer either.

Posted by agonyandxtasy@gmail.com on 04 Oct 09 05:58 AM EDT
I have smoked since i was 15 and i am now 31. over the past year i have gone up to 2.5 packs a day. i have tried the patch ( which gave me extremely vivid dreams and was freaking out in my sleep according to my wife ) the gum and smoked all at the same time ( i think i overdosed at one point ) and have been unsuccessful in quitting. 2 weeks ago i decided to quit and have been using the gum up until 3 days ago ( i would chew until my jaw hurt ) i went to my smoke shop for an energy drink and asked the sales guy what the SNUS was and he just gave it to me. i have since been using it ( it was a trial tin with 12 packs in it ) and have only used 8. i think 8 little packs is nothing compared to approx 150 cigarettes i could have smoked in the same amount of time. biggest bonus of all you ask??? i no longer subject my wife and children to my secondhand smoke. sounds like a win win, not to mention while using the gum i thought about cigarrettes constantly but with the SNUS i only thing of them occasionally. i think it is a great alternative to smoking. just like ANYTHING you put into your body it must be used in MODERATION, too many burgers you get obese have a heart attack, too much alcohol you get liver disease, too much aspirin you might pop a blood vessel, too much motrin and you may get an ulcer, too many cigarettes and you might get lung cancer. TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUR BODY. the only reason people are crying about cigarettes is the whole secondhand thing, which i agree with 100% but as far as SNUS the only person i hurt by using it is myself. period.

Posted by anonymous on 09 Oct 09 12:30 AM EDT
(response to rich 21st april) if you want to talk about what this discussion is about then good for you but don't bring weight into the topic, and if you must do so than at least connect it a little better to it. And maybe be more specific about who u are talking about. some people actualy struggle with weight for reasons other than eating over proportionate amounts of food. Up until the last part you had some very good points and as far as the last part goes, yes your aloud to say what you please but in my personal opinion it draws attention away from the perpose of what you said and may cause uninformed thoughts debating the credibility of your statements. (yes I know i got a bit off topic as well) All in all I agree with you and I am happy to see somone with something to say other than nonsense.

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